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Small building basement foundation moisture: permeable vs impermeable

Engineering Asked by Duncan Ocel on June 6, 2021

I understand that moisture is the enemy of interiors. I know that the standard basement foundation for a house-sized building uses moisture barriers on the outside of concrete retaining walls to reduce seepage and uses a drain with a sump pump to remove any moisture that does come in. This is a reasonable method but it strikes me as inelegant.

Furthermore, I know that ancient people often lived in pit houses that were dug anywhere from 0.5 m to 2 or 3 m into the ground. Anthropological documentations of indigenous homes sometimes even show pit houses containing wood paneling and soft goods like hides or cloth that would be ruined by moisture. More recently, houses in the past few centuries often had basements before cement was an accessible building material; dry-stacked or adobe-mortared stone foundations facilitated basements that were dry enough to allow long term food storage.

So, my questions: Is a permeable foundation feasible in a modern home? Would a certain amount of moisture be guaranteed or could adequate considerations (siting, design, materials) be made to keep the place from flooding, molding, or excess humidity during the wet season? What means might ancient people have used to keep their pit houses from excess moisture?

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Modern highrisers are bieng constructed routinely on beach resorts or areas with high subterranean water level with some floors or parking floors under water level but maintained dry.

They are by design properly waterproofed and air conditioned to be brought up to accepted levels of comfort and safety with no moisture perculation.

In some severe subterranean water conditionns they first make a giant subterranean cubic structure, like an empty swimming pool, waterproofed and equpped with emergency generators and pumps to deal with unlikly chance of a big storm, then they build the the main structure inside that big tank.

Water is natures slovent and can desolve rust and other active ions, highly corrosive. So any amount of moisture can be harmful unless added to the space by an air-conditioning machine.

Answered by kamran on June 6, 2021

You are missing seepage with humidity. Seepage is the infiltration of water into the living space (basement) and makes the space wet or moist. It does cause concern about humidity, but seepage alone won't cause the humidity to reach the extent that is uncomfortable (for humans) and harmful for building materials. It needs to work with the elevated temperature at the location the ventilation is poor.

For example, the ventilation is usually poor in the basement, and it is usually moister than the living spaces above, however, in the summer, it is usually cooler than the living spaces above assuming there is no HVAC unit in either space. And at times, you even feeling chill, why? It is because the moisture has caused the air to saturate with tiny water molecules. When the water molecules hang on your skin, your body getting cooler.

The water molecules will hang onto anything in contact - walls, slab, ceiling, furniture, equipment, and piping. When the temperature is relatively low, they stay in dispersed form, you may feel damp, but no water can be seen. However, when the indoor temperature rises, the elevated temperature will lead to high humidity and causes condensation to form, a frequently seen phenomenon is the cold water pipes dripping in the hot and humid summer days.

The soil surrounding the basement is the natural barrier that provides ample protection against the influence of outdoor temperature and weather. As mentioned above, in the summer, the basement is usually a few degrees cooler than the floors above; and in the winter, the basement is a few degrees warmer than the unheated upper floors. But, the permeable soil can't block the seepage and moisture getting into the basement if the basement is not water-tight. So that's why we water-proof the basement wall on the exterior face, and provide the vapor barrier beneath the slab to cut off the water passages. For arid regions, a sump pump is usually not required, however, for locations with moderate to a high level of groundwater, it is advisable/essential to have a functional sump pump to relieve the groundwater pressure, and prevent standing water on the floor.

Finally, I don't want to compare the ancient people with todays'. They were smart to live in the spaces protected by nature (caves, underground houses), but they lacked the technologies and capabilities to make their living spaces even better, and that (bad living conditions) can be a contributing factor of dying young - living in a moist damp space hurts one's health, also, the moisture, seepage, gases, all carry bacterias, microbes, virus, and plenty of harmful substances.

My closing comment - a permeable basement is definitely doable, but not justifiable from any aspect.

Answered by r13 on June 6, 2021

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