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Mathematics Asked by user579861 on November 1, 2021

There are 197 different non-zero real numbers, and the sum of any two distinct numbers is a rational number or the product is a rational number. Prove that: 197 numbers, each square is a rational number.

The number 197 is not important, so I can assume that there are only 10 numbers to make the question sounds easier:

  • when all of the 10 numbers are rational, then their square must be rational.

  • Now I assume that there is a irrational number a . Then, the remaining 9 numbers can be either pa or p / a, while p is a rational number.

However, if there will not be three number like pa. let b1 = p1a, b2 = p2a and b3 = pa, then b1 + b2 = p1 + p2 – 2a, which is not a rational number, so b1 b2 = p1p2a(p1 + p2) + a2 must be rational number. b2b3 and b1b3 must also be rational number.
Therefore, p1p2a(p1 + p2) + a2, p2p3a(p2 + p3)+ a2 , p1p3a(p1 + p3)+ a2 are rational numbers. p * p is absolutely a rational number, so A0 = – a(p1 + p2) + a2, A1 = – a(p2 + p3)+ a2 , A2 = – a(p1 + p3)+ a2, A is rational number, A2A1 = a(p2p1), p2p1 can only be 0, which contradicts that every number is different.

This shows that there are at most 2 numbers like p – a, and there must be at least 8 numbers like p / a. However I didn’t know how to continue the proof, anyone can help me?

2 Answers

If the set - call it $S$ - contains one rational number, say $r$, then all of the numbers are rational, for if $x in Ssetminus {r}$ such that $r + x = p in mathbb{Q}$, then $x = p-r in mathbb{Q}$, and if $x in Ssetminus {r}$ is such that $rcdot x = p in mathbb{Q}$, then $x = frac{p}{r} in mathbb{Q}$. In that case, it is clear that all squares are rational.

So we can assume that all elements of $S$ are irrational. For each $alpha in S$, there are at most two elements of $S$ whose sum with $alpha$ is rational. For if there were three or more, say $alpha + beta = r in mathbb{Q}$, $alpha + gamma = s in mathbb{Q}$ and $alpha + delta = t in mathbb{Q}$, then $beta + gamma = r+s - 2alpha notin mathbb{Q}$, $beta + delta = r+t-2alpha notin mathbb{Q}$ and $gamma + delta = s+t - 2alpha notin mathbb{Q}$, so by the assumption we would have $betadelta in mathbb{Q}$ and $gammadelta in mathbb{Q}$, and consequently $$(beta - gamma)delta = (r-s)delta in mathbb{Q},,$$ which by the irrationality of $delta$ implies $r = s$ and thus $beta = gamma$, contradicting our assumption that $beta,gamma,delta$ are distinct.

Thus, if $S$ contains at least $7$ elements, then for every $alpha in S$ there are $beta,gammain S$ such that $alphabeta, alphagamma, betagamma$ are all rational. (Picking $alpha$ excludes at most two numbers, and then choosing $beta$ excludes at most two more.) But then $beta = frac{r}{alpha}$ for some $r in mathbb{Q}$, and $gamma = frac{s}{beta} = frac{s}{r}alpha$ for some $sin mathbb{Q}$, whence $$alpha^2 = frac{r}{s}alphagamma in mathbb{Q},.$$

Actually, we can lower the cardinality required in this argument.

For $alpha in S$, let $E(alpha) = {x in S : xalpha notin mathbb{Q}}$. This is the set excluded by $alpha$ in the above argument, and before that we saw that $E(alpha)$ contains at most two elements, since $E(alpha) subseteq { x in S : x + alpha in mathbb{Q}}$. This yields the trivial bound $operatorname{card}bigl(E(alpha) cup E(beta)bigr) leqslant 4$ if $beta in Ssetminus E(alpha)$ used above. But in fact, we have the bound $operatorname{card}bigl(E(alpha) cup E(beta)bigr) leqslant 3$. For if $alphabeta in mathbb{Q}$ and $alpha + x = r in mathbb{Q}$, then $xbeta = (r-alpha)beta = rbeta - alphabeta$ is irrational unless $r -alpha= 0$, i.e. $x = -alpha$. So if $E(alpha)$ contains two elements, at least one of them also belongs to $E(beta)$. And $E(alpha) cup E(beta)$ can only contain three elements if $-alpha in E(alpha)$ and $-beta in E(beta)$. So we can unconditionally lower the required cardinality to $6$, and we can lower it to $5$ under the condition that $S$ contains at most one pair of negatives.

We cannot lower the required cardinality further, because for any irrational $x$ whose square is also irrational, the set $$S = {x, -x, x^{-1}, -x^{-1}}$$ has the property that for each pair of distinct elements either the sum or the product is rational, but none of the squares of the elements is rational.

Answered by Daniel Fischer on November 1, 2021

Let $a$ be one of these numbers. Then $a^2 in mathbb Q$ or $2a in mathbb Q$.

In the first case we are done. In the second case we have $4a^2 in mathbb Q$, hence $a^2 in mathbb Q$.

Answered by Fred on November 1, 2021

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