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Is the concept of a biometric smart gun that will detonate when anyone besides its owner touches the weapon unrealistic?

Worldbuilding Asked by Niobium_Sage on December 28, 2021

This is basically an extension of the idea of the smart gun, a gun that will only fire when in the hands of its biometrically linked owner, but two steps up.

The idea is that someone won’t dare to steal your gun or loot your corpse, unless they want to be blown to bits. I originally wanted to go for a high voltage electric shock, but I feel like someone tech-savvy could workaround this dangerous countermeasure and reprogram the weapon for themselves.

Having the gun literally explode with the parts composing it serving as the shrapnel, would guarantee that no one would want a part with trying to reprogram it for their own purposes.

This raises the question though: wouldn’t this practice be resource-wasteful? My setting isn’t unlike real-life where the military has exorbitant amounts of money and resources, but having all of their issued firearms become deadly explosives when out of the hands of their owners would be costly. Do the means appease the end?

17 Answers

As others have pointed out, it is a dangerous idea for many reasons. For equally dangerous reasons, it makes for a nice plot device. The Lawgiver from Judge Dredd is one such. Another is the MP-35 from Scalzi's Old Man's War series. Part of the permission & firing system in the Old Man's War series was a computer embedded in the operators skull (the "BrainPal").

A similar concept was used in making Permissive Action Links for nuclear weapons. These were built inside nuclear weapons to ensure Always and Never: they must always go boom when intended (and authorized) to work, and they must never go boom when unauthorized. PALs were built into the "physics package" in such a way that removal is impossible and that if you stole one such weapon, you would need to effectively rebuilt it completely (the only way to use a stolen weapon would be to be a nuclear power able to build your own).

Answered by Tangurena on December 28, 2021

To misquote Jurassic Park: you spend all that time wondering whether you can, you forget to ask whether you should.

Is it realistic?

In the realm of possibility.

Electronics manufacturers have forayed into biometric locks for a while now. There is no reason that couldn't be adapted on a gun.

Of course, the mechanisms you find commonly on phones and laptops have dubious degrees of reliability (at least my allegedly-smart phone does), so the technology most likely needs to mature more before it is reliable enough to be sold. But if it was a legal requirement, you can be certain the technology would catch-up.

The explosive charge itself would be more of a challenge. Many have noted there isn't much space to make a big enough boom to reliably kill someone. Still, you only need a charge big enough to send tiny pieces of metal flying. Even if it doesn't kill you, it's nothing to sneeze at and certainly not something you'd want to try your luck with. But if won't be nearly as cool as you envision it.

So while current technology may be lacking, it shouldn't be an unsurmontable obstacle.

Should it blow up?

I'd answer that with another question:

Are you out of your mind?

While there is some merit to disabling a gun, making it blow up is a very bad idea indeed.

Beyond the fact anybody can use the gun to blow you up if they're willing to blow up with it, or issues with false-negatives, I'm not sure that adding an explosive charge in a tool which uses explosions as its main propelling mechanism is a particularly sane idea to begin with. The worst case scenario for any malfunction (e.g. jam, misfire, overheating, current surge) now become "self-destruct charge triggers". You don't have to be a physics major to know this has bad news written all over it.

You also have to imagine that if there is any chance that it could be triggered remotely (e.g. an electromagnetic signal that induces current in the mechanism, or something funny like that), you know you positively don't want it. You should be less worried about a malicious actor exploiting such a weakness than finding it out when your troops start exploding when they microwave their dinner at the base.

In general, keep in mind that if you are ever considering putting a self-destruct mechanism in a device, you have to compare the probability and impact of the worst case scenario (i.e. the gun blowing up unprompted) vs the probability and impact of the device being intentionally misused (i.e. somebody stealing your gun). Here, it's very much more trouble than it can ever hope to be worth.

Should you even lock a gun?

No.

I said above there is some merit to it, and that's mostly for civilian uses. Actually, it's just for one case, to prevent kids from shooting themselves accidentally. I dare you to find a more useful and practical case for the technology. But that is of course 9000% negated if the gun blows up instead.

For law enforcement or military use however, it is supremely pointless. Assuming reasonable reliability, you cannot guarantee a false negative, which would be problematic in a shootout. Even if the gun doesn't explode, a gun that doesn't fire is the very definition of useless. And for all narrative purposes, this would obviously always happen at the worst possible time.

Even assuming perfect reliability, you have to ask why? If someone is in position to use your gun against you, there's a good chance either A) they have their own gun they can shoot you with, or B) they are in a position to beat you up with your biometrically-locked gun and that's arguably even more humiliating.

If a force can collect enough dead soldiers and unattended weapons, you also have to question whether they are really struggling for weapons to kill you with, or whether your troops are competent enough to win at all.

Ultimately, in your case, the only thing the lock prevents would be adding the insult of being shot by your own gun to the injury of being shot at all, which is of very little comfort. Even with an overblown budget it'll be a hard sell.

Answered by AmiralPatate on December 28, 2021

If you want a pistol for an assasin that destroys itself after the assasin is dead, you have a few options other than explosions:

  1. The whole gun can be made out of a material that slowly decays or melts [even ice ... for something like a railgun f.e. ]
  2. Instead of explosive packs inside the gun that detonate it, you can always trigger acid that disolves the material.
  3. If for a suicide attack, you could have the whole assasin detonate instead only his gun lol.
  4. Consider the option to remotely trigger the explosion rather than have it linked to the heartbeat / fingerprints of your Assassine. Remember - YOU want to have control over the gun, it should not be triggered randomly because your guy has dirty hands / got zapped and burnt his rfid implant. The downside with this is it could get hacked

Also: we already have smartguns these days. What's the point in including explosives when you just can tape / stick a bit c4 on the weapon and add a simcard and an Arduino Nano....

Answered by clockw0rk on December 28, 2021

I'd say auto-disable is better than auto-detonation.

Otherwise, lost or discarded firearms will have to be treated the same way as IEDs, landmines and unexploded ordnance. Which would result in a lot for FUBAR for ordinary infantry, the logistics train, and inevitably the bomb disposal unit that has to be called just to "safe" a smart gun.

Answered by Stanley Jobson on December 28, 2021

There are actually 3 questions:
Is it useful? Is it practicable? Will the gov or military fund it?

For the last one the answer is yes. No matter how silly it looks, there is a high probability that they will fund it.

For the rest:

Who has to identify the owner? The seller?
Is it a trivial task for the owner using the manual?
Is the task trivial enough to be done by a thief?
How long does it take to identify an user? Is it virtually as fast as a standard gun?
Or are your security force dead before "identification complete"?

How does that work with gun in the street?
Does cartel have to keep a clear list of peoples, ADN, and guns?
How does privacy work? Do we have to reset the gun before dumping them in the river or does it retain the identity of the one that fire the gun?

How does security work?
How far do I need to be from the gun to reset the user, invalidate, or simply send the wrong information to the identifier? Could it be done with a drone flying over the base? Could I jam it and prevent any gun use in the area?

Maintenance?
Is the mean of identification durable enough to be used in a war situation? Is changing it hard?
Does it suffer from a lack of electricity? (Sorry, my gun is loaded)
How does it work if:
I have a glove? I am covered with oil? I am covered in mud?
I am covering in others people blood?

Do you have to register all my fingers?
How do you identify your gun in a bucket of guns?
In case of emergency, people rush out of the room, picking gun in the rack, now people have to call the roll and carefully check the serial.

How do you define legitimate use?
Could my wife use it to shoot at me, and claim that I'm the only use so it's suicide?
Can she use it in a home invasion situation?

For selling purpose, could you design a situation where it will be more useful than a simple gun. Peoples trained with normal gun will re-act the situation, and you are not the one that paid them.

Answered by Drag and Drop on December 28, 2021

AFAICT no one else has mentioned this countermeasure yet:

Mix tiny skin flakes from your side (easily acquired) into a sticky aerosol substance and blow clouds of it at enemy encampments whenever the wind is right. Some of it lands on their guns or their hands. The next time they touch the trigger...

BOOM.

Answered by Foo Bar on December 28, 2021

All you need to do is have a smart gun that is biometrically locked to a given user or group of users. If someone else tries to use it, the smart gun refuses to work for them.

No need for silly gimmicks like high-voltage electric shocks or horrendously dangerous explosive devices. Guns are dangerous enough, do keep them idiot-proof too.

Answered by a4android on December 28, 2021

Depends on the weapon

Most small arms are not worth the risk of accidental collateral damage. In general, there is nothing so special about a pistol or a rifle that national security would be compromised if an enemy faction got thier hands on it; so, such tech would have to be reserved for something so advanced that it could completely change an enemy's technological threat level.

1 - Self aiming firearms: These have been around for a few years now on civilian markets, but when you make this concept military grade, it's not enough to just hit a person from 1000m away. Can it work with IR scanners to hit a person who is hidden by a smoke cloud? Is it's shake compensation good enough to fire while running? Does it work with bullets that can corse correct after leaving the barrel or shoot around walls? Can it read body language to fire at someone before you pull the trigger if they look like they will shoot 1st, or vise versa, not fire at someone who is unarmed even if you do pull the trigger? There are hundreds of features a military grade smart gun could have and risking the life of the soilder carrying it may be worth making sure the enemy never gets those same abilities.

2 - High Energy firearms: In a recent question, I brought up that the US military now has the technology to make lethal hand portable lasers by scaling down HEL beams, but if one were to be stolen, that means that enemies could replicate the technology and scale it back up to make all sorts of pretty bad-assed weapon systems. The military implications of what a HEL beam could do are so numerous, that it's probably worth the risk of putting a biometric bomb on them... assuming you even have a reason to give a soldier a hand held kilowatt laser rifle to begin with...

3- Things bigger than small arms: Tanks, missile systems, fighter jets, etc. are all very dangerous and full of military secrets. So let's say an enemy seized a SAM truck, and tries doing some test launches to record its exact capabilities, exploding on the launch pad would be a VERY good thing for your county, because if they know exactly how your weapons perform, it becomes a lot easier for them to design systems that are optimised to counter them.

As for addressing safety concerns:

There are a lot of ways to verify a user, but biometrics is probably not the best. Instead I would give each soldier a chip in thier hand with a personal activation code. The the weapon system can be keyed to any number of those codes so a single rifle might work for anyone in your squad for example. To prevent any issues, you store your weapon in a case or holster or behind a panel that verifies that both your chip and the weapon are working properly before you can open it. If YOU can't get the weapon out, you go see the armory to see if you need a new chip or if the weapon is malfunctioning. But if any enemy can't open the case, holster, or pannel, they do the next logical thing and cut it open. Then at that oh so rewarding moment they think they've gotten past the hard part, it exploded when they go to pick it up/use it.

Answered by Nosajimiki on December 28, 2021

Bluetooth Bracelet

Instead of an unreliable, slow, fingerprint scanner (which fails if the shooter is wearing gloves, etc.), add a Bluetooth (or equivalent - should be something reliable but short-range, and hopefully not subject to jamming) syncing device to the weapon, paired to a bracelet worn by the owner. This bracelet should be locked so that it cannot be removed without the key, which the soldier should not carry on their person.

When the gun needs maintenance, or is being transferred or sold to another person, the key is acquired from the base (these may be kept in a secure location controlled by a superior officer, much as ammunition often is on modern bases), the bracelet is removed, and both are given over to the repair shop/new owner.

The bracelet is set to trigger the gun's destruction if removed forcibly, such as by killing the soldier and/or severing their arm to get it off. (It can check the owner's pulse, so you can't just carry around a severed hand in order to keep the bracelet synced up.)

Most of this is possible with existing technology - the only exception being the self-destruct. It might be more feasible to simply prevent the gun from firing when not synced up.

Answered by Darrel Hoffman on December 28, 2021

OK, I'm going to take a slightly different approach to frame challenging this, because other answers have covered why making it explode when someone other than the owner picks it up is a bad idea.

There are two big issues here:

Smart guns are actually not as amazing of an idea as people make them out to be.

Conceptually, it's awesome, only you can use the gun. I've even seen some concepts where you can remotely lock or brick the weapon. The thing is though, nobody who advocates for these considers what happens when this tech fails. You either fail unsafe and the gun operates as if it weren't a smart gun (at which point you're just protecting against casual usage by spending a lot of extra money, possibly worth it for someone with kids in the house, worthless for law enforcement and the military), or you fail safe, and the gun stops working.

Failing safe is the only option that makes sense given the main reasons most people who advocate for smart guns are advocating for them. The problem with this though is that when you need a gun, you need it to work, period. The importance of reliability is why Kalashnikov rifles, and Uzi SMGs, and Glock handguns are all so popular, they're damn near impossible to kill, no matter how badly you treat them. A weapon that you do not know for certain will work is actually worse than no weapon at all, because most people will assume in the heat of the moment that it will work, and acting on that when it will in fact not work is more dangerous than acting as if you did not have a weapon in the first place.

There are then the numerous engineering problems inherent in trying to fit all the required electronics into the gun and making sure the impact loading on the parts resulting from the weapon firing does not break things. All of those engineering issues are technically solvable at this point in time, but they are far from cheap to do right.

For your specific case, you couldn't actually get enough of an explosion to do anything more than destroy the gun.

As mentioned above, there's not much 'free' space in a gun. On top of that, you couldn't safely pack most explosives into the gun anyway because of them being heat sensitive (firing a gun produces a lot of heat, which has to be dissipated somehow). That leaves you with the powder in the ammunition itself, but the reality is that that's not actually as dangerous as it sounds. Without the chamber to support the casing, a single round of most small arms ammunition detonating just kind of pops. The bullet doesn't really go much of anywhere, the casing might fragment if you're unlucky but probably will stay mostly intact (but end up very distorted). The biggest hazard is really the risk of the heat from the combustion of the powder starting a fire (and this is a very real risk, the combustion temperature of most modern smokeless powders is high enough to ignite paper or cardboard and sear wood). Even if all of the rounds go off at the same time, all it's really going to do is damage the magazine and probably the gun itself.

This leaves you with only one realistic possibility: the barrel gets sealed while someone other than the owner picks up the gun. One of the few truly dangerous failure modes for a modern firearm is when the barrel gets blocked. If you're really lucky, firing a gun with a blocked barrel just destroys the gun. In most cases though, it causes serious injury to the person trying to fire the gun, and potentially to those nearby as well, but it's really not an explosion in the sense most people would think about it (it's more like a pressure cooker with a blocked pressure relief valve detonating), and while it usually doesn't cause serious injury to anybody other than the person holding the gun, shrapnel from the detonation can easily fly quite a ways away and still be dangerous.

The problem with that though is that it makes it even more dangerous to have one of these than a smart gun that just disarms itself when it would not be active, because there is no way to make it fail safely (and of course the reasons that others have pointed out).

Answered by Austin Hemmelgarn on December 28, 2021

For soldiers, the attack surface is just not that big in the first place. Maybe in a large, complicated battle with a well-equipped foe, you might have enough pockets of troops being overrun that some enemy troops will have the opportunity to grab your guns and use them against you, but how many of them will actually care? (Apparently their weapons aren't bad, since they managed to overwhelm your position.) Picking up and using a new weapon in the heat of the moment isn't that big of a game-changer.

The bigger potential is stealing your weapons to use them later - replacing their own worn-out or lost guns, building up their forces, sort of thing - or stealing weapons out of your supplies. In either of these cases, though, they have plenty of time to tamper with whatever anti-theft devices you might put in place.

I'm not in military appropriations, but putting in a complex, expensive device that poses a constant threat of blowing your troops into little bits to avoid a handful of incidents of stolen weapons seems like a bad trade to me. An extra grenade or a few dozen rounds of ammo to keep the enemy off you would be a more prudent investment.

Answered by Cadence on December 28, 2021

wears gloves while handling gun

Gun: BOOOOM

Its far too risky to use that kind of technology in your weapons. Dirt, gloves or something else like the hands being very cold can make identification difficult. Weapons as a rule are also build to be as sturdy as possible so they can handle as many cycles as possible without damaging itself. Adding internal layers of explosives is going to mean you'll need to service your weapon more often as a failure is going to be a lot more catastrophic. I find using this kind of technology to lock a weapon to be the limit, as a momentary malfunction just means a momentarily locked weapon, not shrapnel all over your hands, arms, face and chest.

Then there's the already mentioned things like

  • maintenance,

  • the need to give fellows your weapons to borrow for whatever reason,

  • mass-transport of weapons and supplies before distribution, just imagine having to key everyone's biometrics before combat or someone keyed his biometrics and put it back in the box...

  • instructors and team leaders who should be able to handle your weapon,

  • what battle damage does to your weapon (I dont want to walk around with a bomb in my hands because I had to swim/crawl through mud/the weapon got hit by bullets or shrapnel/wear and tear).

  • lifespan of the explosives versus average lifespan of a weapon

Answered by Demigan on December 28, 2021

I once read somewhere that you should not bring a smart gun to a gun fight. In a world where weapons are commonplace and cheap, you are already at a terrible disadvantage if your weapon glitches, or requires time to boot and become ready.

Supposing you are suicidal enough to turn your piece into that kind of explosive, you have two extra problems:

  • Since electronics can glitch at any time, at best you have a weapon that can "soft jam" at random. At worst you're carrying a Schrödinger grenade.

  • Depending on the type of electronics and explosives you use, your weapon may explode when being hit by a shot, when it is exposed to high temperatures, when exposed to certain electromagnetic fields etc. And while these things are rare, you are exponentially increasing your chances of being referenced in a new DumbWays2Die video.

Answered by The Square-Cube Law on December 28, 2021

It's cheaper to lie

The other answers explain why it's a bad idea to make all of your firearms explode when touched by the repair guy. I just finished the book Active Measures, which has me thinking about military intelligence and counterintelligence. There's a long history of armies inflating the capabilities of their forces (it's described in The Art of War and other famous texts). You could develop the technology and release training videos featuring a soldier firing a rifle and then handing it to a dummy that explodes when its hand is lowered onto the sensor. Whenever there's an explosion on a base with casualties (which tragically does happen sometimes) blame it on somebody trying to use the wrong rifle and causing an explosion. Train your quartermasters and troops that all rifles must never be used by anyone else. Then send rifles without any explosives to your soldiers. They can still have a fingerprint recognition system but no explosives.

Answered by Andrew Brēza on December 28, 2021

Others have noted the many reasons why it would be a bad idea to have this on a gun. It means no maintenance, accidents, no sharing weapons, no imprisoning soldiers, no capturing people. That said, it could be useful in a narrow range of situations.

What you want is something that can only be used by particular people. Insert login genes to your soldiers, a barcode on their wrist or such, and so long as they hold it the gun is safe. They can swap it, use it on others, do lots of things. It can be set to different loadouts. If you are policing civilians, you probably don't want it exploding. If you are on a special forces mission where you are a deniable asset, the gun exploding if someone takes it is good, as then they can't steal your tech.

Answered by Nepene Nep on December 28, 2021

A smart gun which only fires in the hands of an authorised individual -- which may include any soldier in your army -- is a useful and practical concept. It may have issues when transferring weapons between units, if someone's fingerprints change etc.

A weapon which explodes in the wrong hands is a dangerous liability. It means all a captive has to do is try and grab a gun to kill their captor (and themselves). It means whenever the ID system glitches, due to a change in fingerprints (wear, injury), someone may be injured or killed. And it opens up a huge vulnerability to cyber or other attack.

It would also have plenty of opportunity for accidents -- "Take those weapons to the quartermaster" BOOM! "Oops, didn't realize he was a civilian contractor."

Answered by David Hambling on December 28, 2021

There are cases where you want someone to handle the gun without firing it.

Just to name a few:

  • the legitimate holder has lost the gun and someone returns it to them
  • the legitimate holder is dead but a comrade can still use the weapon
  • the gun has to be serviced/inspected
  • the gun has to be handed over in custody

Moreover, having the explosive gun would give to anybody a hand grenade. Forget about allowing carrying a gun with no ammunition as a way of preventing accidents.

I think you are creating more problems than you are solving.

Answered by L.Dutch on December 28, 2021

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